Talk:F1

RFD discussion: September 2017–May 2018

See Talk:F0#RFD discussion: September 2017–May 2018.

RFD discussion: September–October 2018

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F1

F5

Two more keys, along the lines of the rewind etc. buttons discussed recently. We already explain function keys at the F entry. (As a minor point of interest, some keyboards have F0 and/or go higher than F12.) Equinox ◑ 20:59, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

• I looked at F, and it only explains F1. F1 doesn't say much, and F5 doesn't explain what it does, i.e. refresh the page. So there's a lot of missing info anyway. DonnanZ (talk) 23:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

What it does is entirely dependent on the particular operating system. DTLHS (talk) 23:35, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, not all browsers use F5 to refresh the page, and computers like the BBC Micro had an F5 key before the Web even existed. In many programming tools F5 means run/start the program. We can't hope to "define" all that. Equinox ◑ 23:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as non-dictionary material. — SGconlaw (talk) 02:51, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• Abstain. DonnanZ (talk) 09:42, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
• Delete the sense for the key. I just added a verb sense that should be kept (easily attested by searching "F5ing" on Usenet). —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 06:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep: they are not sum of parts, and they are attested in the noun sense challenged, as in "press F1" or "press F5". Admittedly, I don't see them in lemmings, but I see M-W:esc[1] and oxforddictionaries.com:ESC[2], which is a bit similar. As for the documentation at F: if I decided to look this up in a dictionary, I would not go to F. This could be handled by a redirect from F1 to F, but since F1 has other senses as well, that is not an option. --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:10, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  Why are they not SoP? It's the first function key (F short for function), just like S1E1 is the first episode of the first series. Equinox ◑ 14:13, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  @Equinox: Whether something is SoP depends on what me mean by separate components. The usual standard for "separate components" is space separated, and many also support hyphen-separated. A different standard may be sought for the likes of H2O and H2SO4 (Category:mul:Chemical formulae), and for S1E1. For chemical formulas, we have not yet decided to use a different standard. It is not obvious to me that a different standard should be applied to F1. There is 3D, three-dimensional. We have Q1, the first quarter of the year. It seems we do apply a different standard of "separate components" for 3476, a decimal numeral--decimal numerals form an open-ended combinatorial system with very large number of items--but that is not so clear since we have a separate rule covering them: WT:CFI#Numbers, numerals, and ordinals. I'll grant that whether F1 is SoP is open to discussion. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

• See also failed Talk:HP1 re Harry Potter series. Equinox ◑ 14:02, 13 October 2018 (UTC)