Talk:Canis domesticus

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Canis domesticus

This is not (and to my knowledge never has been) a taxonomic name. --EncycloPetey 02:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

It looks easily citeable. Possibly from Linnaeus and never officially adopted. It looks like Linnaeus intended it for the sheepdog. — Pingku^dimmi 03:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

But if it was never adopted, then it's not Translingual, and that's part of the issue. In what langauge(s) is it citable? If it's only in the one work of Linnaeus, then it's only Latin. But, if it's a one-off descriptive phrase in Latin, it may not merit an entry. --EncycloPetey 05:03, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I figure it deserves an entry because someone who found it wouldn't be able to find it in up-to-date reference works (because it's not official)... so we should define it. I've made it Latin per this discussion, though. If anything else needs to be done, do it. :) Cheers, - -sche (discuss) 07:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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• 1843, Eman. Swedenborgii Diarii Spiritualis, De Cane, page 96:

  3679. In somno visus canis, niger, qui prius admissus, sicut canis domesticus, et cum vidit aliquid osseum in quo cutis alius canis, fastidivit, inde quoque admissus et non pro malo habitus; […]

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Canis domesticus

Latin, is this used in Latin texts? Looks Translingual to me. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

See the previous RFV discussion of it: Talk:Canis domesticus (previously here). - -sche (discuss) 18:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, [1] is definitely English, not Latin. Do Translingual terms cease to be Translingual if they're no longer used? We do have Category:Translingual obsolete terms. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Hm, I wasn't aware of that category, thanks for the link! I suppose putting it in there and having a usage note will be sufficient to keep people from thinking it's still a valid name. Alright, I'll undo the edits I made in response to that previous RFV, and make it translingual again. - -sche (discuss) 18:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Here's what I found in a quick search: [2], [3], [4], [5]. --Hekaheka (talk) 18:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Right, it's definitely Latin. The argument is that it's used in other languages, too... even if not many (because it was never adopted). - -sche (discuss) 19:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Though, actually in all of those citations canis domesticus. Could debatably be SoP too, a dog which is domestic, or a "house dog". Mglovesfun (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

You are probably right. They are not examples of "Canis domesticus". --Hekaheka (talk) 21:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The lexicographic classification of a taxonomic name doesn't depend on whether it's accepted or not, just as a boat doesn't have to be put in the water to be a boat. Once a name is published, it exists as a taxonomic name. It may not be the correct one, or it may not even be valid according to the rules, but it's a real taxonomic name nonetheless. Saying that a published taxonomic name isn't a translingual until it's in use by scientists sounds like something from w:The Velveteen Rabbit, not an example of how taxonomic nomenclature actually works Chuck Entz (talk) 05:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Nevertheless we have attestability criteria. That's why some of the measurement units proposed by ISO have failed verification, since nobody is using them in writing at all except in lists of units. Equinox ◑ 10:01, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

As we should. But in that case it's an unattested translingual, not unattested Latin.Chuck Entz (talk) 12:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

After having actually looked at the cites they were talking about (that's a novel idea!), I see I misconstrued what was going on. They were quite right- those were instances of Latin text coincidentally using the same words as translinguals, not translinguals. I've got to stop posting when I don't have time to check the facts... Chuck Entz (talk) 12:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I've added two citations of use in German. - -sche (discuss) 19:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The Latin quote is using "canis domesticus" as a descriptive phrase, not as a species name. In Latin, this simply means "house dog" or "domestic dog", and is sum -of-parts. If the Latin quotation is kept at all (and I don't think it should), it should be included only in the Citations space along with a note stating that it does not pertain to the definition given in the entry. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I've added an English citation and removed the Latin one. There are many, many more English, German, French etc citations available... does anyone still dispute that this is attested as a translingual term? - -sche (discuss) 06:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Passed. - -sche (discuss) 01:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)