Talk:-holed torus

RFD discussion: November 2018–January 2019

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-holed torus

Suffix entry disguised as a noun entry — but I would think something like 4-holed torus is better regarded as 4-holed + torus and not by suffixing -holed torus as a unit. (One way around this might be to have an entry for n-holed torus or some such; we do have n-dimensional, even though the n is a fairly arbitrary mathematical variable and could really be any letter.) Equinox ◑ 03:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom; NISOP. If we were going to have an entry, it would be at -holed, as this can apply to anything capable of having an indeterminate number of holes. bd2412 T 04:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• I don't think it's accurate to call holed a suffix in any case. It's like armed, legged, bathroomed. Equinox ◑ 04:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

  I'm not calling for the creation of -holed, merely pointing out that if we were to address things having multiples of them, it wouldn't be with an entry naming one of the things having such multiples. bd2412 T 12:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• Just delete it. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
• Its biggest problem is that it looks incomplete, and I'm not sure that anybody is going to look for it, let alone find it. A bit like an entry for -hole golf course. Deletion is probably the answer. DonnanZ (talk) 12:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
• Delete, for the record the creator had as edit summary: "not SoP because hole can also mean a removed disk". ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 15:12, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
• Delete: despite what the creator said, it looks pretty SoP to me. (Perhaps we should add an adjective sense to holed (“possessing holes”), if verifiable.) — SGconlaw (talk) 03:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

  I think the word holed as used here is an adjective, just like broken is an adjective in broken promise.  --Lambiam 13:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

I believe that the creator's comment is referring to a topological distinction between "hole" like the hole through the middle of a tyre, and "hole" like a hole that would puncture the tyre, the "hole" in "-holed torus" being of the former type. I don't think this entry is the way to do it though. If it is thought necessary to explain this distinction, I suppose it should go at hole. Mihia (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

All my socks have holes. That is quite convenient. I use them to put my feet through when putting on socks. The torus holes are more like the holes in Swiss cheese. We are not a topology textbook and if we try to be pedantically precise we are not likely to get all subtleties right. Like the current definition of torus: “A topological space which is a product of two circles.” That only makes sense if a circle is a topological space; however, none of the sixteen senses supplied at circle define a topological space. Also, with that definition, a 2-holed torus is not a torus.  --Lambiam 18:56, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Per utramque cavernam 17:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 03:07, 29 January 2019 (UTC)