Talk:花裡胡哨

Etymology

The request for etymology tag has been summarily removed. This action was unwarranted, because "flower inside foreign whistle" does not make any sense or seem to relate to the implied meaning of this phrase in any way. Please restore the RFE tag, as would be reasonable, or simply add the etymology. Not to do so leaves our project unencyclopedic, which is not a desirable condition for our users. 204.11.186.190 18:15, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

This is the kind of thing I was talking about: [1] 204.11.186.190 18:17, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

I removed your tag with the comment of "It's in the zh-forms box already". And inside zh-forms box there is the sentence "Built on 花哨 (huāshào)". That's the best anyone could provide on its etymology. I don't know what you want exactly. This word is not related to 胡哨. Wyang (talk) 23:46, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Please stop adding unnecessary rfe tags. The category Category:Chinese entries needing etymology has been populated by entries you have added tags to over the years and most additions are unnecessary - see for example 摩擦 and 旱冰. Same with Category:Chinese terms needing attention and Wikipedia:Requested entries (Chinese), mostly trivial words that are not the priority of the current editors. You should understand that everyone is busy and the reasons your requests go unheeded for years are 1) the requests are ridiculous, like your rfe tags; 2) the requests are too obscure and cumbersome, and not deemed important by Chinese-language editors. You should realise that when your work is not noticed and responded to, perhaps it's best to stop and reflect on why. Consider contributing in a constructive way, rather than adding maintenance tags to all the entries you see. Wyang (talk) 00:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

There has been serious discussion as to whether to delete all of your talk-page requests. It doesn't seem likely to happen, but that shows how annoying they are to the people you're asking to help you. Wiktionary is run by volunteers who don't have to do anything if they don't want to- and if you keep clogging the maintenance categories and request pages with so many requests, they're definitely not going to want to. You need to prioritize and only ask for a few, because if you ask for everything, you'll get nothing. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Our project, and the manner of interaction between editors, should be collegial rather than hyperaggressive. Removing RFE tags that were added to a few entries that needed them, in good faith, doesn't do any good for our project's users, nor help to make the project more encyclopedic. 204.11.186.190 14:37, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Of course you would say that. Some specific points:

• "Our project, and the manner of interaction between editors, should be collegial rather than hyperaggressive."

  "Hyperaggressive" would be abusing you and threatening you, and possibly blocking you. No one has done that. A revert or two might be rude, but it's not "hyperaggressive".

• "added to a few entries"

  If it were only a few, there would be less resentment. There are currently 411 entries in Category:Chinese entries needing etymology and 15 in Category:Mandarin entries needing etymology. Every entry that I've checked so far is there because of you. That means if someone were to do an etymology every day, it would take over a year. There are 376 entries in Category:Chinese terms needing attention and 1,040 in Category:Mandarin terms needing attention- that's getting close to 4 years worth at the pace of 1 a day. There again, spot checking turns up only your additions. That's ignoring all the entry requests you've been making.

• "Removing RFE tags....doesn't do any good for our project's users"

  Actually, stuffing thousands of requests into the categories and requested entry pages does a great deal of harm to the project. Anyone who finds a serious problem with an entry is going to look at the pages and pages of requests in the queue ahead of them and give up. You've basically hijacked the request system to feed your idle curiosity, to the exclusion of everyone else. Removing at least a couple hundred of your rfe's would make it a lot better for everyone else.

• "nor help to make the project more encyclopedic"

  This is a dictionary. The last thing we need is to make it more encyclopedic. You seem to be unaware that this isn't Wikipedia. We don't have hundreds of editors like they do- when it comes to Chinese, we have maybe half a dozen who are active. Those editors have to deal with vandalism and with good-faith but incorrect edits right and left before they even get to adding new content. We would need ten times that many to process all of your requests- and you keep adding more faster than they can cleared.

I don't know enough Chinese to do much of anything with the entries, but I can take the time to speak up for the overworked and underappreciated folks who are doing what I can't do. You might get more cooperation if you showed a little consideration- maybe even gratitude- for the volunteers who are doing all the work around here. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC)