Talk:自轉車

Japanese kyūjitai

@Eirikr do you really think that Japanese kyūjitai need usage notes and "obsolete" tags? Just asking. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

• To turn the question around :), do you think it's clear to users that this is an obsolete spelling, if we don't include usage notes and context tags? The 自轉車 spelling is certainly not in use in modern Japanese, but most users won't know that unless they 1) notice the kyūjitai label, and 2) either know what this means already, or click through to the [[旧字体#Japanese]] entry and understand from that entry that this spelling is no longer in use. (And frankly, the [[旧字体#Japanese]] entry is currently a little less than clear on that account...)

One of my main concerns for WT in general is usability. I try to put myself into the shoes of a beginner. I'm often terrible at doing that, but I do try.  :) So then from the perspective of a beginner, I ask myself, would this entry make sense? Would a beginner be able to really understand enough about this term to use it correctly? Looking at the entry version without any ancillary information, I found myself thinking that a beginner probably wouldn't be able to tell that this spelling isn't used any more -- so I added the usage note and context label.

Maybe a better approach would be to increase the amount of information displayed by the template when an editor specifies kyūjitai? What do you think? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 16:56, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know I was just asking. We have a lot of kyūjitai entries, they might all need some notes, like {{U:ru:language names}} as in иври́т (ivrít). At least, the Japanese argument of kyūjitai vs shinjitai seems over but Chinese fantizi vs jiantizi is not. Chinese Wiktionary uses "Taiwan, Hong Kong" for the latter and "mainland China, Singapore, Malaysia" for the former, like 杂志@zh:wiki. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)