Talk:百鬼夜行

Pitch Accent

There seem to have been two different pitch accents used in this article's history, namely (1) and (4). The arguments for each would be...

1. The default expectation is (4) by the "rule" for compound nouns when the second noun is trimoraic and unaccented. See page 20 of this archived article, The Phonology of Japanese Accent.
2. The second edition of Shinmeikai asserts the correct accent is (1) as well as the Sanseido online dictionary (see Sanseido entry here). The Shinmeikai (1972) reference also states that the pronunciation ひゃっきやぎょう also has accent on (1). The Zenkoku Akusento Jiten has no entry for either word and neither does the 1970s edition of NHK Hatsuon Jiten.

Given that there are two sources that both say the correct accent is (1) it seems reasonable to display the pitch accent as (1). At the same time, since there are only two sources and it seems to be in dispute does this make a case not to include pitch accent content yet?

(Aogaeru4 (talk) 01:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC))

|acc=1 freaks me out (maybe it's just my inexperience?) but if the authorities say it is so, then it should naturally be included. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 01:57, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

(Being a descriptive dictionary, recording the pitch accent used in real life would be best, but I'm not sure we can do that(?). —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 01:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC))

Despite what those two references say, a quick search on Youtube for the term "百鬼夜行" yielded two videos that say the word. This video uses the word at the 0:06 mark. This video uses the word at the 0:54, 1:14, and 1:59 mark by one speaker and the 23:54 mark by another. In both videos the speakers seem to be using (4), the form one might predict from the rules.

(Aogaeru4 (talk) 02:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC))

Hmmm. (Notifying Eirikr, Wyang, TAKASUGI Shinji, Nibiko, Atitarev, Dine2016, Poketalker, Cnilep, Britannic124, Fumiko Take, Nardog, Marlin Setia1, AstroVulpes, Tsukuyone): ? —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 05:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Personally I didn’t know it could be other than 4. I pronounce it naturally as a compound, i.e. 4. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 14:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I personally say -ko with an atamadaka accent (1); I didn't even know it could be pronounced with 4 or -gyō (though it's not a word you hear everyday). Daijirin also gives 1. If there are sources for both accents, I don't see why we shouldn't include both. Nardog (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

NHK gives two pitch accents:

• ひゃ​っきやこう [hyáꜜkkì yàkòò], pattern [1]
• ひゃ​っき・やこう [hyáꜜkkì yàkóó], pattern [1]-[0]

I personally learned this as the latter pattern, treating this as two words with independent accent patterns.

The SMK5 lists:

• ひゃ​っき・やこう [hyáꜜkkì yàkóó], pattern [1]-[0]
• ひゃ​っき・や​こう [hyáꜜkkì yáꜜkòò], pattern [1]-[1]
• ひゃ​っきやこう [hyáꜜkkì yàkòò], pattern [1]

The hyakki yagyō reading also appears to be less common: the SMK5 and NHK only list hyakki yakō, and while the KDJ and DJS include the hyakki yagyō reading, they only have it as a redirect to hyakki yakō.

HTH, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 19:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)