Talk:我空

Tone

@Mlgc1998 Is your experience that this word is used with the first syllable with a rising tone? Because that's what you put here. Mar vin kaiser (talk) 04:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser yeah, I checked the vocal pitch monitor app again. "Óa-khòng ah!", the tone rises then falls down then neutral tone. the tone doesn't seem to be the same as standing tone of 我 on its own. Mlgc1998 (talk) 05:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: I'm asking because the people I know say this as "òa--khong-a". --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 05:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser I checked the vocal pitch monitor app again and compared with some other words with comparable tones. there could also be "óa khòng --a!", with standing tone for both, then neutral tone for last particle. Mlgc1998 (talk) 21:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser btw, tim5 recently told me that he heard his dad say this expression like how u previously described. He described it as "ua41--khong11--lo11" or "Oà --khong--lo" and when I went to listen to how he said it in a voice msg, I think I might've heard it too somewhere, but for a more specific situation, like the expression is a little more hushed, more suppressed than the "óa-khòng--a!" cuz it's used more as an expression of hushed disappointment one may shortly let out, but the more expressive "óa-khòng--a!" seems to be used more to express how much one is astonished in surprise of something, like something ridiculous. I'm not sure tho what tones it would be, like is it that all of the syllables are neutral tone? and if so, could the first syllable also be neutral tone and how would that look like? "--oa--khong"? Mlgc1998 (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: What would that be attached to? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 06:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser what do you mean? like the "--lo11" he meant? He meant 囉／啰 (--lo͘) or do you mean which page entry? I'm thinking maybe on this page as well as another ph pronunciation variant, although could also be another sinograph for the first character, like idk 哇? Mlgc1998 (talk) 11:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: I actually have no idea what you're describing in your message on January 28, but you gave a theoretical "--oa--khong", and that needs to be attached to something. There's no utterance that has all neutral tone for all syllables. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 11:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Tim Lima recently described to me hearing from his dad a supposed "ua41--khong11--lo11", which is used more like as an expression of hushed disappointment. Which tones do you think it is? is it the same as the "òa--khong-a" that you mentioned before? at least the first two syllables. Mlgc1998 (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: To the best of my knowledge, the word is "òa--khong-a" to express disappointment. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser is the first tone in "òa--khong-a" in running or standing tone? Mlgc1998 (talk) 15:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: It's ""ua41--khong1-a1" --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser hmm I think I remember that one now. have heard of that way of saying it. Mlgc1998 (talk) 16:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)