Talk:偏旁
Add topicLatest comment: 6 years ago by KevinUp in topic 偏旁 definition
Needs etymology
[edit]Needs etymology. 71.66.97.228 22:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Needs etymology! 71.66.97.228 03:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
- Template:rfe. —suzukaze (t・c) 07:25, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Template:rfe! —suzukaze (t・c) 07:26, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I see what you mean. I've misunderstood it my whole life then. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 19:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
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- radical is probably better translated as 部首. I had always thought 部首 and 偏旁 were the same. It's a good thing you raised this. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 00:09, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- In my experience, native speakers tend to conflate the two, while foreigners usually learn them as different things. Both senses could probably be attested, so why not include both? ---> Tooironic (talk) 02:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- 部首 = component used for indexing of Chinese characters in dictionaries whereas 偏旁 = any component of a Chinese character. So, any 部首 can also be a 偏旁 but a 偏旁 may or may not be a 部首. KevinUp (talk) 05:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- In my experience, native speakers tend to conflate the two, while foreigners usually learn them as different things. Both senses could probably be attested, so why not include both? ---> Tooironic (talk) 02:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- radical is probably better translated as 部首. I had always thought 部首 and 偏旁 were the same. It's a good thing you raised this. Jamesjiao → T ◊ C 00:09, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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- I prefer the previous edit by Jamesjiao with the following definition: "(linguistics) component (of a Chinese character)". As mentioned in my comment above, any 部首 can also be a 偏旁 but a 偏旁 may or may not be a 部首. I would consider 部首 as a hyponym, rather than a synonym of 偏旁. See also https://baike.baidu.com/item/偏旁部首#联系区别 KevinUp (talk) 14:48, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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- I think we can just list 部首 as a hyponym of 偏旁. The main difference between the two concepts is that a complex character can have many 偏旁 but usually only one 部首. Template:biang is a good example to explain the difference between the two terms. I think the addition of the colloquial definition would further confuse our readers. Usage notes might be better, e.g. Not to be confused with 部首 (bùshǒu), which refers to a specific 偏旁 (component) used for the indexing of characters in Chinese dictionaries. KevinUp (talk) 19:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
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- @Ge0graphyinitiative: The usage notes added recently looks good to me. Thank you for clarifying the difference between 偏旁 (piānpáng), 部首 (bùshǒu) and 部件 (bùjiàn). @Jamesjiao Can this conversation be moved to Talk:偏旁 for future reference? KevinUp (talk) 05:53, 28 December 2018 (UTC)