Talk:カムィ

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@Chuterix, what does your note mean? There is no Japanese term that should be lemmatized here at the katakana spelling. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 21:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@Chuterix -- Oh! You mean, the Japanese borrowing from Ainu, meaning "an Ainu kami". Gotcha.

For that, you don't need anyone to delete this page -- you only need to delete stubs when you're moving a separate already-created entry. Since there isn't one, just go ahead and edit the existing page here at カムイ.

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A0%E3%82%A4-466694

No dictionary reads 神威. Chuterix (talk) 21:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

as kamui. Chuterix (talk) 21:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

神威 is irrelevant -- even if it had a kamui reading, that would go at the hiragana spelling かむい, not here. 😄 ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 21:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

But it's a loanword, and all dictionaries spell it as カムイ, never *神威. Chuterix (talk) 22:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I cannot find this kanji string rendered as kamui anywhere in the Japanese web outside of the JA Wikipedia and what appear to be manga-related content. Actual term references list this only as shin'i. The fact that zero Japanese references I can find list any kamui reading makes me deeply suspicious of the provenance of this reading for this kanji string. See also the Kotobank page: https://kotobank.jp/word/%E7%A5%9E%E5%A8%81-536620. There is apparently a place name in Hokkaido that uses this kanji spelling, but with a reading of kamoi, not kamui -- see the Weblio page at https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E7%A5%9E%E5%A8%81, particularly the 地名辞典 section.

At any rate, there is no need to delete the page at カムイ. Just edit the page to change the content.

Considering kamui as a Japanese term borrowed from Ainu, any 神威 spelling in use in popular works is slang-y ateji at best -- written Ainu doesn't use kanji, so the 神威 spelling itself cannot be borrowed from Ainu.

FWIW, last I checked, various Ainu texts use the カムイ spelling as well, with the full-sized イ, such as this page at the Ainu Times -- even while using smaller glyphs in other words (indicating that consistent use of the full-sized イ appears to be intentional). The spelling with the small ィ seem to be more common in academic works -- but even there, textbook materials for teaching the Ainu language to readers of Japanese also often use the full-sized イ to spell カムイ in Ainu, such as this intermediate text for Bihoro Ainu: https://www.ff-ainu.or.jp/web/potal_site/files/bihoro_tyukyu.pdf

HTH, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm so sorry.

I moved from page to page without looking at this talk page. However, this is correct based on the principles of how Ainu is written in kana characters. Is it better to return it to its original form? 森の音 (talk) 13:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I think Eirikr won't like this, as the small kana i is apparently used merely in academic contexts. Chuterix (talk) 15:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

The small i（ィ） is not academic (at least in Ainu). This is because it is shown to be drawn that way in "akor itak"（アコㇿ　イタㇰ）, which is said to be based on the orthography of kana writing. As a result, other textbooks are also written to this effect. 森の音 (talk) 08:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I was wrong. But I don't know how to return it.森の音 (talk) 08:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)