Talk:ἀνήρ

Where did the δ in the dual come from?

Forms with medial -δ- reflect zero-grades of the PIE stem, with PIE *-nr- > Greek -νδρ-, cf. Sihler 224.1 --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 22:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Epic dialect

It might be a good idea to include a table of short-alpha forms for Epic, since I did a search of the Odyssey, and both short- and long-alpha forms occur. Otherwise, the absence of a specifically labeled table of short-alpha Epic forms may lead readers to assume these forms don't occur. — Eru·tuon 21:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be a way to indicate to the pronunciatino module that it can be either short or long. That way the two variants will be given for 5th century Attic, while only listing one form each for the later dialects. That will be better than having two tables. --WikiTiki89 21:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

But also, how do you tell that it is long or short from the text? --WikiTiki89 21:45, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89: By scanning the meter. I learned how to do that back when I studied Homeric Greek. — Eru·tuon 21:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Also, does your research only apply to the nominative singular, or to the other forms as well? --WikiTiki89 21:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I did a regex search for ἀν[ηεήὴέὲ]ρ (probably the graves were overkill), so I found any forms that don't have the stem ἀνδρ- (andr-). I just looked at a couple till I found that they had both long and short alpha. — Eru·tuon 21:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I think it would be important to make sure we know specifically which forms both lengths occur for. --WikiTiki89 22:14, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Declension table is full of errors for ἀνήρ

Can someone help edit this to fix the conjugation modules producing all of these errors? I wish I knew how to do this. This is a super basic noun and most the "Attic" forms listed here are totally spurious. — This unsigned comment was added by Abbadonnergal (talk • contribs) at 04:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC).

@Abbadonnergal: Fixed, based on Smyth's Greek Grammar (§ 262). Thanks for posting about this; I hadn't noticed. It's a pretty irregular noun and I don't want to try to make the module handle it automatically, so I've supplied the forms manually. The module assumed that the accent was supposed to be on the second syllable because the nominative and genitive singular have it there, and it applied that to all the forms. — Eru·tuon 06:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Erutuon: Thank you! Is there some reference with guidelines for modifying conjugation modules to fix such errors? That would be helpful if I knew how to fix these things on the fly. — This unsigned comment was added by Abbadonnergal (talk • contribs) at 21:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC).

@Abbadonnergal: Module:grc-decl and its submodules are complicated and I wouldn't know how to explain how to modify them. But see Template:grc-decl/documentation for documentation on {{grc-decl}}; it explains how to change individual forms in the table, which was what I did here. — Eru·tuon 22:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

ᾰ̓νήρ (anḗr) also for "male"?

Some Greek (classical and biblical) dictionaries include "Male" for one of the meanings for ᾰ̓νήρ (anḗr). Is there a reason why this is not included in the article?

Bill Mounce Greek Dictionary (https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/aner): Gloss: man, male, husband...

Thayer's Greek Lexicon (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g435/nasb20/mgnt/0-1/): with a reference to sex, and so to distinguish a man from a woman; either a. as a male...

Webster's Dictionary (https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/eng/web/m/man.html): (n.) The male portion of the human race.

Thank you. Dikranig (talk) 05:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Dikranig: Could you clarify how this isn't covered in the "man (adult male)" line? Are there Ancient Greek quotations that this word referring to males that are clearly not adult? — Eru·tuon 13:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

My understanding from those dictionaries was that Aner could also mean Male regardless of age: therefore, Male could include children and adolescent ages as well, not just adults.

But I am not a Greek scholar, just a Bible student. That is why this was a question in the end. If Male had strictly the same meaning than Man, then I don't understand the point of including those two words to the definition of those dictionaries.

Thank you for your interest and your help in this discussion! Dikranig (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

I would like you to follow up on my question, please. How do we know if ᾰ̓νήρ (anḗr) meant adult male only, or male of any age (from childhood to adulthood)? Thank you. Dikranig (talk) 22:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)