Talk:მკორიდა

Pronunciation

Hi @Gubazes

Your transcriptions include phonemic stress, a feature that the Laz language does not have, at least not according to any source that I have found. The language does have non-contrastive stress, which can be indicated in a [phonetic] transcription, but not a /phonemic/ one.

Similarly, Laz does not have, as far as I am aware, a phoneme /m̥/. What we have in this word is /m/, which is allophonically devoiced to [m̥] in this environment (word-initial, pre-consonantal).

I'm also not sure why the vowel inventory you have used is /i ɛ ɑ ɔ u/. Does any source describe Laz vowels this way? The Oxford Handbook of Languages of the Caucasus (page 497) describes the Zan languages having /i e a o u/, with /a/ being central and /e o/ mid. Nicodene (talk) 21:53, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Laz do have phonemic stress; please look at https://lazca.org/lazuri/goisi-kojma/761-lazca-gramer-laz-gammer-grammaire-laze.html at 23. prosody; he explains it better than I can.

It's my fault for the allophony; should it be IPA^(key): /mkʼɔˈ(ɹ)idɑ/, [m̥kʼɔˈ(ɹ)idɑ]?

Some letters are in dispute, ა (a) some transcripe it as /ɑ/ some does /a/ same goes for other vowels as well. Another disputed letter is რ (r) which could be a trill /r/(Which I don't think is likely because I never heard anyone pronouncing it like this) while Bucaklişi transcripts it as a tap /ɾ/ and Kojima disagrees and says it is an approximant /ɹ/.

Another thing to add, @Nicodene Please don't forget that Laz and Georgian are related but not the same language. Just because Georgian doesn't have phonemic stress doesn't mean that Laz can't, and just because Laz allows a maximum of four consonants in a row doesn't mean Georgian can't have more than four consonants in a row. Gubazes (talk) 10:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)