Talk:มัสตาร์ด

@YURi Unlike some other Thai entries I made, the transliteration "mát-sà-dtàat" comes from a Paiboon published dictionary. There are many web sources for "มัด-สะ-ตาด". Shall we check with other Thai speakers? BTW, please add a Babel table to your user page.--Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 08:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I have never heard anyone pronounces it as "มัด-สะ-ตาด". Even Google Translate, which often separates "st" as two syllables, also pronounces it as "มัส-ตาด". --YURi (talk) 08:23, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

I can confirm it reads "มัส-ตาด". Paiboon is not accurate. Please ask us. --Octahedron80 (talk) 08:29, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

@YURi, Octahedron80 Thank you both. It's a pity there is no reliable pronunciation dictionary I could use. Well, it's not only Thai, with my language (Russian), users may also have difficulties in finding pronunciations in dictionaries for all words. B.P. Becker Paiboon dictionary I have, mentions that young Thai people are able to pronounce the final "s" and may like it. It gives four possible pronunciations of "Celsius" and three of "Christmas". It only gives a native (second) pronunciation of พลาสติก (pláas-dtìk) and gives "-t-sà-" for ออสเตรเลีย (ɔ́s-dtree-liia). Are you 100% sure that a common Thai person, not familiar with foreign languages, can also pronounce these words in a more "foreign" way? It's actually the first time this dictionary's transliteration differs from previous corrections of my edits. At least one version was there. Sorry to be a pain. :) --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 20:53, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

It is true that people familiar with foreign languages pronounce borrowed words "in a more foreign way" and such pronunciations are becoming more and more common.

But I don't know how those unfamiliar with foreign languages would pronounce the present term (มัสตาร์ด). Because, throughout my life (I'm in my twenties now), I have never heard any other pronunciation than "มัส-ตาด". To ascertain whether the term is also pronounced "มัด-สะ-ตาด", I just watched a number of relevant videos on YouTube and I only found "มัส-ตาด".

As regards other terms (such as พลาสติก, ออสเตรเลีย, etc.), I have heard variable pronunciations. For example, พลาสติก can be "พฺล้าส-ติก" and "พฺล้าด-สะ-ติก" (and, humorously or colloquially, "พ้าด-ติก"). But, like I said, the pronunciations "in a more foreign way" are more common now.

--YURi (talk) 09:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@Atitarev Thai dictionaries are okay for basic words. But about farang loanwords like English or French etc, they kinda go out of the box. They would need more attention. --Octahedron80 (talk) 02:39, 11 April 2016 (UTC)