Talk:केव्हा

केधवां

Dissimilation of Old Marathi -dh- > Marathi -h- is highly implausible sound change. More importantly, the reflexes of केव्हां (nasalized because of older form) are already attested side by side with their -dh- forms; namely जेव्हां and तेव्हां already exist. Another set of reflexes namely, जेव्हळा, जेव्हळि, तेव्हळा, तेव्हळी, तेव्हली, केव्हळा, केव्हळि also exist, which are more surely related to केव्हा in my opinion.

At the very least, केधवां, जेधवां and तेधवां do not have a direct inheritance relation with the modern forms. The component -व्हां-/-वां- may have something to do with "time" or "moment", but that's about it that can be said, unless further study is done. Etymologies suggested by Tulpule et al. are rather spurious as well, and do not make sense in the case of these terms. Varca mumbaikar (talk) 01:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

That's not dissimilation, it's lenition. Unexpected lenition of morphological endings and function words seems pervasive across New Indo-Aryan, e.g. future forms with s > h in Braj, the genitive postpositions in Punjabi, Gujarati (both from Skt. santaka > dV, nV), and Hindi; more examples don't immediately come to mind but they exist. The regularity of sound change does not truly hold universally. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 02:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's lenition. It is true that केधवां > *केहवां > केव्हां is plausible, but it's a very rare sound change to happen from Early NIA to Late NIA. I'd still support it if केधवां wasn't attested contemporaneously with जेव्हां (Both from ज्ञानेश्वरी, Tulpule et al.). I am not saying that they aren't related. I am contesting the inheritance relation. I think "Related to Old Marathi केधवां, केव्हळा" should be it for the etymology section. Anything more is conjecture on our part. Varca mumbaikar (talk) 19:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC)