Talk:ڇڙو

@माधवपंडित Hey, would this come from something like *चिक्षति? Or is श -> ç (I'm on mobile) a regular transformation for Torwali? DerekWinters (talk) 19:34, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@DerekWinters: Etymologically, *चिक्षति (cikṣati) does not match with Proto-Indo-Iranian *ĉikš-. Also Sanskrit श (śa) was pronounced /ɕ/. Turner lists a lot of Dardic descendants with c̣ btw. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 21:52, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmm that makes sense. I was wondering if Dardic may have had a Sanskrit with a different formation of IIR ĉ, but that makes sense. DerekWinters (talk) 21:56, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@DerekWinters: Yeah, Dardic tends to preserve some archaic phonology e.g. Kalasha (and some other Dardic languages) retain distinction between स/श/ष, which was lost in every other Indo-Aryan branch. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 22:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@DerekWinters: c̣ in Dardic is usually the outcome of Sanskrit क्ष (kṣa). श (śa) is preserved as š. No idea why in this particular case it became c̣ not just in Torwali but in all Dardic (Kalasha & Khowar too). -- माधवपंडित (talk) 01:13, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@माधवपंडित: That's weird. Maybe it's influenced by the next क्ष (kṣa)? —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 01:42, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@AryamanA: Yes, in all likelihood. Although Dardic is very archaic, there are cases where the usual expected outcome is altered by phonological or semantic influences. -- माधवपंडित (talk) 01:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)