Talk:сладковатый
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Guldrelokk
@Atitarev, Guldrelokk Can you verify the meanings other than #1? They come from Большой толковый словарь. Benwing2 (talk) 06:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: These meanings are real, but I think сладковатый inherits all of them from сладкий (sladkij). Guldrelokk (talk) 06:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Benwing2, Guldrelokk: Yes, no need to duplicate. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Atitarev, Guldrelokk Not sure what you mean by "inherit". I think all meanings should be documented regardless of whether they are also found in a related word. Benwing2 (talk) 06:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Сладковатый is somewhat сладкий, nothing more to it. It has the same literal, metaphorical and even contextual meanings. Guldrelokk (talk) 06:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Atitarev, Guldrelokk Not sure what you mean by "inherit". I think all meanings should be documented regardless of whether they are also found in a related word. Benwing2 (talk) 06:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
By the way, are the senses 2-4 all that unlike those of English sweet? Guldrelokk (talk) 07:03, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Guldrelokk: Sense 2 fits in somewhat with "sweet" but it needs to be qualified as "sweet-smelling" or similar. You can't just say "a sweet flower" unless you mean the metaphorical meaning "really nice". Senses 3 and 4 don't fit in with "sweet"; you'd have to use an adjective like "saccharine" or (in Britain) "treacly", or a colloquial word like "cheesy" or "schmaltzy" that suggests excessive sentimentality. For these reasons I think we should include senses 2-4 under сла́дкий (sládkij) and then list them also under сладкова́тый (sladkovátyj) with "somewhat" added; it wouldn't be obvious to an English speaker than the definition "sweet" or "somewhat sweet" also implies 2-4, and it wouldn't be all that obvious that сладковатый includes *all* the meanings of сла́дкий without explicitly stating that. Benwing2 (talk) 07:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Fine. You cannot say сладкий цветок either, however, unless you mean it’s tasty. It’s more about expressions like сладкий запах. Guldrelokk (talk) 07:23, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Guldrelokk: Sense 2 fits in somewhat with "sweet" but it needs to be qualified as "sweet-smelling" or similar. You can't just say "a sweet flower" unless you mean the metaphorical meaning "really nice". Senses 3 and 4 don't fit in with "sweet"; you'd have to use an adjective like "saccharine" or (in Britain) "treacly", or a colloquial word like "cheesy" or "schmaltzy" that suggests excessive sentimentality. For these reasons I think we should include senses 2-4 under сла́дкий (sládkij) and then list them also under сладкова́тый (sladkovátyj) with "somewhat" added; it wouldn't be obvious to an English speaker than the definition "sweet" or "somewhat sweet" also implies 2-4, and it wouldn't be all that obvious that сладковатый includes *all* the meanings of сла́дкий without explicitly stating that. Benwing2 (talk) 07:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)