Talk:помпезный
Add topicLatest comment: 9 years ago by Cinemantique
@Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89 I'm guessing that the assimilated palatal м in the manually given IPA pronunciation here is incorrect? Benwing2 (talk) 01:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- When м is in front of palatalized п, there's two variants with or without palatal assimilation (империя, температура...). The same about фм and мб, see Avanesov, §12.2.--Cinemantique (talk) 01:51, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89 Is this consistent in all instances of мп, мб, мф, фм? If so, we can make this an optional assimilation and use ⁽ʲ⁾. What about пл (аппликация), вб (вбирать), вп (впечатлительный), вл (выявлять), фл (конфликт), бв (обвинительный), бм (обмер), пф (сапфир)? All of these have labials before a a palatalized consonant (often another labial). Also, what about подснежник, which the module renders as [pɐˈt͡snʲeʐnʲɪk]? Should there be palatal assimilation? Benwing2 (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it's consistent and I don't mind if you implement the optional palatalisations for мп, мб, мф, фм. I'll wait for Cinemantique to reply on others. IMHO, пл, вб, вп, вл, фл, бв, бм, пф don't have a consecutive palatalisation but I may be wrong. I have less certainty about бв and пф, подснежник is OK as is. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- I think there's no assimilation if Avanesov say nothing about it. So вл, пл, пф, фл haven't it.
- бв: now optional assimilation (любви́), except
^обв-(no assimilation). - бм: no assimilation.
- вб, вп: optional if it's at the beginning of a word, otherwise no assimilation.--Cinemantique (talk) 03:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it's consistent and I don't mind if you implement the optional palatalisations for мп, мб, мф, фм. I'll wait for Cinemantique to reply on others. IMHO, пл, вб, вп, вл, фл, бв, бм, пф don't have a consecutive palatalisation but I may be wrong. I have less certainty about бв and пф, подснежник is OK as is. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89 Is this consistent in all instances of мп, мб, мф, фм? If so, we can make this an optional assimilation and use ⁽ʲ⁾. What about пл (аппликация), вб (вбирать), вп (впечатлительный), вл (выявлять), фл (конфликт), бв (обвинительный), бм (обмер), пф (сапфир)? All of these have labials before a a palatalized consonant (often another labial). Also, what about подснежник, which the module renders as [pɐˈt͡snʲeʐnʲɪk]? Should there be palatal assimilation? Benwing2 (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2015 (UTC)