Talk:Μεγάλη Ἑλλάς

Μεγάλη Ἑλλάς = Italy + Greece?

Why Μεγάλη Ἑλλάς was used only for Italy? Where is written clearly? The Greece was Great after expansion. Where is written "only South Italy is Μεγάλη Ἑλλάς"? If South Italy ws part of Μεγάλη Ἑλλάς it doesn't mean that South Italy was Μεγάλη Ἑλλάς: it means that was part of a Great Greece. What we have been taught for years can be revised. 82.50.188.43 01:10, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

That's a valid question. The ideal way to resolve this would be to go back to the primary sources in Ancient Greek, such as Polybius’ Histories and Strabo's Geographica, and see how they use the term. E.g., Polybius wrote:

καθ' οὓς γὰρ καιροὺς ἐν τοῖς κατὰ τὴν Ἰταλίαν τόποις κατὰ τὴν Μεγάλην Ἑλλάδα τότε προσαγορευομένην ἐνεπρήσθη τὰ συνέδρια τῶν Πυθαγορείων, μετὰ ταῦτα γενομένου κινήματος ὁλοσχεροῦς περὶ τὰς πολιτείας, ὅπερ εἰκός, ὡς ἂν τῶν πρώτων ἀνδρῶν ἐξ ἑκάστης πόλεως οὕτω παραλόγως διαφθαρέντων, συνέβη τὰς κατ' ἐκείνους τοὺς τόπους Ἑλληνικὰς πόλεις ἀναπλησθῆναι φόνου καὶ στάσεως καὶ παντοδαπῆς ταραχῆς.

kath' hoùs gàr kairoùs en toîs katà tḕn Italían tópois katà tḕn Megálēn Helláda tóte prosagoreuoménēn eneprḗsthē tà sunédria tôn Puthagoreíōn, metà taûta genoménou kinḗmatos holoskheroûs perì tàs politeías, hóper eikós, hōs àn tôn prṓtōn andrôn ex hekástēs póleōs hoútō paralógōs diaphtharéntōn, sunébē tàs kat' ekeínous toùs tópous Hellēnikàs póleis anaplēsthênai phónou kaì stáseōs kaì pantodapês tarakhês.

When, in the district of Italy, then known as Greater Hellas, the club-houses of the Pythagoreans were burnt down, there ensued, as was natural, a general revolutionary movement, the leading citizens of each city having then unexpectedly perished, and in all the Greek towns of the district murder, sedition, and every kind of disturbance were rife.

The English translation is from this 1922 edition by W. R. Paton, but I cannot vouch for its accuracy as it's all Greek to me. 70.172.194.25 01:23, 3 January 2023 (UTC)