Talk:șvițer

Isn't this rather from Alemannic?

@Bogdan: Italian svizzero starts with a voice sibilant (and also has an extra vowel at the end) whereas Alemannic German Schwizer sounds almost exactly like șvițer. — Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 21:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Fytcha:. Apparently, svițer / Svițera were the earlier forms (which were clearly from Italian) and then later evolved into șvițer / Șvițera. It is possible that the "ș" forms were influenced by the German pronunciation, but I am skeptical that it is from Alemannic rather than standard German.

The "sv" is a sound cluster that is generally not found at the beginning of the words in Romanian and it usually evolves into something else, like "sf", "zv". Bogdan (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Verification

@Bogdan This word does not turn up on Dexonline. Where did you get it from? ―⁠Biolongvistul (talk) 07:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Biolongvistul:: I met it in a text, I don't recall exactly where, I think it may have been Radu Rosetti:

Dureros a fost spectacolul înfățoșat, la noiemvre 1916, de armata română în retragere prin București, după bătălia de la Argeș, dar ca oroare, de departe nu se putea asămăna cu acel al oștirei franceze de est, dezarmată la Nerrieres de șvițeri, la finele iernii 1871. - Wikisource

Bogdan (talk) 07:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

That’s right. It is sufficiently attested. I should’ve searched. ―⁠Biolongvistul (talk) 08:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)