Reconstruction talk:Proto-West Germanic/kahu

French forms

I submit that the French forms in ch- predate a borrowing from Middle Dutch. There is also the Middle French/French choucas. Leasnam (talk) 05:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, OFr also has choghe, which is either from MDut or Ang, and chave could be from Late Latin cavannus of Gaulish origin. --Victar (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

MFre choucas and Picard couc might be of Frankish origin. --Victar (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I was alluding to the ca- > ch- development, as this occurred early in French (VL...>...OFr...timeframe). A loan from MD would probably have maintained a hard k/c. Leasnam (talk) 19:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

In Anglo-Norman we find: choue, chaue, chave, chawe; chouve, chowe; choghe, chuhe; chao, cheo; caue; couwe; jouhe. So it's a bit of a mess. --Victar (talk) 19:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Ctrl suggests a direct connection with Frankish, so I thought you might be interested... Leasnam (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Ctrl? I rearranged the descendant trees of *kāwa and cavannus, but your guess is a good as mine. --Victar (talk) 23:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

ERRATUM: Cnrtl (Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales). As for the rearrangement, looks good. I would pull Picard out from under Old French though. Unlikely ch- reverted back to hard c- in Picard. Leasnam (talk) 04:10, 30 May 2013 (UTC)