Reconstruction talk:Proto-Turkic/kičüg

Classification of Bulgar

Chuvash and Bulgar are not equal in any way, the opposite has not been proven with a scientific approach. There were Chuvash-speaking people of the Middle Ages who converted to Islam and mastered the Arabic script (which was already widespread among other Turkic-speaking, sedentary and nomadic people). Their language (writing on stones) continued to contain Chuvash words. And only because of this, dishonorable authors put equally between the Chuvashs and the Bulgars. In the last couple of centuries, it can be argued that part of the Chuvash began to be listed as the Tatars of Tatarstan and close territories. They converted to Islam, switched to a common Turkic for this region - Kipchak (Tatar, Bashkir), which in turn has dialects depending on the zone of settlement. The same process took place in older times. The very name of the Tatars came fr he om European sources, which called this word the next campaign of nomads across the wild steppes of Eurasia. There were no people of Tartars or Tatars, but there were tribes with their own names, who roamed separately and assimilated those who were subjected to tribute. In this case, the population of the Volga region. This is how modern Tatars appeared, some of whom are the very subjects. With regards to the Tatar language of Tatarstan, it is nothing but the language of the tribes that are now known as the northwestern Bashkirs. This dialect also absorbed the literary Turkic languages, such as Ottoman. However, it is based on the language of these tribes. Some of their descendants have lost their names and are also listed as Tatars (the master and the slave have risen to the same level). The official Bashkir is the language of the eastern tribes, who live separately and have their own distinct origin. Even in this article, the Chuvash kӗҫӗn (kĕś̬ĕn) for some reason comes from the Bulgarian كجی‎ (kiçii). Where is the logic? As we can see, this Bulgarian word is not Chuvash at all, but an ordinary Turkic one. 94.50.96.33 20:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I understand your concern about the classification of the Bulgar language. But the language with which the Bulgar language is closest is Chuvash. Of course, it was also influenced by the Turkic languages around it, and even some of the Volga Bulgar inscriptions were written in Khorezmian Turkic, that is, although it is mentioned as Bulgar inscription, it is in Khorezmian language. But this still does not rule out the possibility that it may have a direct ancestor of the Chuvash. Although it is related to the Northern Kipchak languages, this does not change the fate of the classification. Most of the languages ​​that we have already classified, such as Karakhanid and Khorezmian, are influenced by the Turkic languages ​​around them, but they are classified there because they basically belong to a group. Likewise, in most cases, sound changes from Bulgar Turkic to Chuvash are regular and Bulgar is in a position to be the ancestor of Chuvash. This possibility is very strong and the contradiction is mostly due to the absence of Arabic words in Chuvash. There is no contradiction here either. The addition of the n phoneme at the end of the word is seen in many Turkic languages. We know that i sounds also turn into ĕ or rarely и in Chuvash. So it is usual for the word kӗҫӗn (kĕś̬ĕn) to come from the Bulgar word كجی‎ (kichii). Also check out the кӗҫнерникун page. This phrase has the same logic as the phrase Thursday in Bulgar. Bashkir кесаҙна and Tatar пәнҗешәмбе have differences. BurakD53 (talk) 23:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

It was highly probable that it was taken from the Kipchak along with the Hungarian form. I edited the page. Thank you for the discussion. BurakD53 (talk) 00:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)