Reconstruction talk:Proto-Slavic/vějati
Add topicLatest comment: 5 years ago by Rua
The inflection should be like a simple thematic verb: e.g. the verbal noun should be *vejenьje, the L-participle *vějelъ, the aorist (2p, 3p) stem *věje, etc. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar how to change it. Currently, the inflection table shows the forms of an a/V-theme verb.
- PS: Apparently, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, and West Slavic demonstrate proper a/V-theme inflection. Bulgarian, Macedonian, Slovene, and OCS should be V-thematic, though. Bezimenen (talk) 13:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bezimenen
{{sla-conj|impf|-0|ap=a|pname=věti}}or{{sla-conj|impf|-0|ap=a|pname=věti|n=*vějenьje|t4=*vějelъ}}. But i don't see 1) What descendants show *vějenьje, *vějelъ, *věje, 2) What OCS forms are V-thematic. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Useigor: Modern Bulgarian and Macedonian forms (the expected a-theme inflection in these languages is 1p. **веям/веjaм; 2p. **веяш/веjаш, 3p. **вея/веjа or something of this sort) are such and have been so for a few centuries (most likely stretching to the time of Middle Church Slavonic). I should correct myself, though: the original L-participle and aorist (2p, 3p) are supposed to be *vělъ, *vě. The secondary epenthetic theme *-е- appears to be a semi-modern innovation. Also, the deverbal noun in Proto-Slavic probably was *větьje. The mentioned nьje-form would have been innovated at a later time. I was biased in my judgement, because my native language is Bulgarian. In Slovene, the infinitive form is vẹ́ti to start with, so there is no dissent there.
- Forms of *vějati in these languages do exist (e.g. the transgressive Macedonian веејќи (veejḱi) / Bulgarian веяйки (vejajki) [instead of **веjќи/вейки] or the deverbal Bulgarian веене (veene) [instead the expected **ветие]), however, I think they are innovated on the basis of *věti. Similarly to *bьrati from pre-Slavic *bʰéreti or *pьrati from the attested *perti. I guess the simplest solution is to give the Slovene and Bulgarian/Macedonian descendants in the page for *věti and to keep the remaining descendants here. As mentioned above, though, there is some overlapping between the two inflections. Bezimenen (talk) 10:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- I've created entries for both Slovene verbs. vȇjati is a normal -ati, -am verb in Slovene, so it doesn't seem to continue the Proto-Slavic paradigm. The accentuation (circumflex in all forms) is also indicative of a more recently derived verb, although it could be levelled from the present tense where the circumflex is regular in AP a verbs. —Rua (mew) 13:00, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Forms of *vějati in these languages do exist (e.g. the transgressive Macedonian веејќи (veejḱi) / Bulgarian веяйки (vejajki) [instead of **веjќи/вейки] or the deverbal Bulgarian веене (veene) [instead the expected **ветие]), however, I think they are innovated on the basis of *věti. Similarly to *bьrati from pre-Slavic *bʰéreti or *pьrati from the attested *perti. I guess the simplest solution is to give the Slovene and Bulgarian/Macedonian descendants in the page for *věti and to keep the remaining descendants here. As mentioned above, though, there is some overlapping between the two inflections. Bezimenen (talk) 10:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)