Reconstruction talk:Proto-Nakh/bHorc̣

Schrijver (2021)

*borcʾ in Schrijver (2021) with a typo. Gnosandes ❀ (talk) 20:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Not a typo, the word for "wolf" is *borcʾ (absolutive) with oblique stem *borcʾ- (oblique stem). I would've gone and made the change myself but I'm new to editing Wiktionary and don't know how to delete the -ʕ- in the title of the page itself. Here's why it should be deleted: Pharyngealization is a noted sporadic phenomenon in Dagestani languages that can be ascertained by a quick inspection of Dagestani cognates in Nichols (2003). Proto-Nakh split into Ingush, Chechen dialects, and Batsbi quite recently compared to Dagestani languages, so it is no surprise that Proto-Nakh pharyngealization is often retained in (some) modern Nakh varieties, but that isn't always the case. A careful reading of Schrijver (2021) shows that Schrijver does not reconstruct pharyngealization for a Proto-Nakh word unless pharyngealization is attested in two or more of the following languages/dialects: Cheberloj Chechen, Plains Chechen, Sharoj Chechen, Vedenoj Chechen, Ingush, Batsbi. He has a form *maliᶰ "warm" on p. 98 where there is pharyngealization in only Sharoj Chechen and so he notes it may not be original. In another case *mˤa:t'eᶰ "overripe" has reflexes in Sharoj Chechen and Ingush with pharyngealized mˤ but no pharyngealization in Batsbi mat'eᶰ so although Batsbi is very conservative with regards to Proto-Nakh vowels, it is not conservative with respect to pharyngealization. Note words like *ǯˤalaj, *nˤana, *bˤarikʾ -- every reflex has a pharyngealized consonant. In such cases we can reconstruct a pharyngealized consonant in Proto-Nakh. Qmbhiseykwos (talk) 16:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Qmbhiseykwos: If you want to change something, then please ping me. ɶLerman (talk) 12:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to make the change as proposed. not bHorc̣ but borc̣ Qmbhiseykwos (talk) 18:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)