Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/kora

Old Okinawan

According to the 2021 source, the Ryukyuan words derive from *kura that went early contraction. Kwékwlos (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Source? Chuterix (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@Kwékwlos Chuterix (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

The Language of the Old-Okinawan Omoro Sōshi Kwékwlos (talk) 20:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

See footnote under page 54 Kwékwlos (talk) 20:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Mistaken reconstruction

The Ryukyuan /kwa/ reflex is cognate with Japanese 子等 (kora, “child, children”), amply attested in Old Japanese. This is analyzable as a compound of Old Japanese 子 (⟨ko₁⟩, kwo) + 等 (ra, pluralizing and genericizing suffix).

The Jlect entry for Okinawan kkwa even explicitly calls out this cognacy: https://www.jlect.com/entry/2824/kkwa/

We also see Japanese makura ("pillow") corresponding with Okinawan makkwa, demonstrating a similar shift in -kura → -kkwa.

I have encountered no other sources reconstructing ku(w)a for Proto-Japonic.

This entry appears to be an error. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 21:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Chuterix, thank you for your recent edit.

However, the problem persists -- the Proto-Japonic precursor of Old Japanese 子 (ko₁) cannot be any putative ku(r)a form, but rather simply ko or ku (depending on the reconstruction of the Proto precursor of OJP /o₁/). The (r)a is from Old Japanese 等 (-ra), a wholly separate morpheme.

There might well be grounds for reconstructing a Proto-Japonic term kura -- but in that case, this Proto term would be a precursor to Old Japanese 子等 (ko₁ra), not 子 (ko₁). ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 05:18, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I have fixed the descendants list to point to OJP and JA 子等 instead. We will need a separate JPX-PRO entry for the ancestor to OJP / JA 子 (ko₁). ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 19:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)