Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-Iranian/dʰr̥ždʰás

Proto language

@AryamanA Hi! D'you think this can be moved to a PIA reconstruction? There are a very few PIA lemmas and moving entries such as this where there are only IA descendants would help it get a bit more exposure. -- माधवपंडित (talk) 01:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@माधवपंडित: I was hoping someone would be able to find some Iranian descendants, but I suppose if we can't it should just be a PIA page. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 01:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@AryamanA: Thanks for moving! If Avestan had a descendant from *dʰr̥ždʰás, it'd be *𐬛𐬆𐬭𐬆𐬲𐬛𐬀 (*dər^əžda). Persian درست (dorost) can be mis-interpreted to be from here, interestingly. Related Iranian terms are all descended from the verbal derivations of *dʰerǵʰ-. -- माधवपंडित (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@माधवपंडित: Well, the final -st in the Persian is enough to make that unlikely. Still an interesting coincidence! Also, how do you think entries with only NIA descendants (like *choṭṭas) should be formatted? There's no Prakrit or Sanskrit, so should we just sort by family (like "Eastern Indo-Aryan" etc.)? —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 02:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@AryamanA: Yes, I think that would be correct since if there's a descendant tree without a term, it's appropriate if the name of that tree is a group of languages rather than the name of a language itself. For instance:

• Old Persian: 𐎺𐎼𐎣 (v-r-k)
  • Middle Persian: gwlg
    • Persian: گرگ

If we don't have Old Persian, we can simply say

• Iranian:
  • Western Iranian:
    • Persian: گرگ

As "Old Persian" is not a classification. "Shauraseni", "Maharashtri" etc are not classifications either, they're actual languages. I used to formerly null out IA reconstructions because Indo-Aryan is also a group of languages (a classification) along with PIA being a language. I don't do that now.

Also, would the aspiration not be indicated by a superscript h, with the lemma being *cʰoṭṭas instead? -- माधवपंडित (talk) 02:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@माधवपंडित: Actually *ćʰoṭṭas with our current transcription system. Thanks for the advice. —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 02:34, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

There was one after all

@AryamanA: LOL, Parthian [Term?] (/⁠drz'd⁠/) (perfect passive participle, not adjective) is a formal descendant of this word. It's there on page 63 of Cheung's dictionary. -- Bhagadatta (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bhagadatta: Great! Proto-Indo-Iranian entry restored :) —Aryaman^{A (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान)} 16:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)