Module talk:uk-adjective
Now live
[edit]@Atitarev I created this module to replace {{uk-decl-adj}}. See User:Benwing2/test-uk-adecl. Benwing2 (talk) 05:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev Also see
{{uk-adecl-manual}}and User:Benwing2/test-uk-adecl-manual. I make use of{{uk-adecl}}on родо́вий (rodóvyj)/родови́й (rodovýj); accelerators are included. Benwing2 (talk) 06:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)- @Benwing2: Very good, thanks. I think it's OK to replace the current templates wit the new one.
{{uk-adecl-manual}}is good too. BTW, the Ukrainian templates don't categorise by inflection types (verbs or adjectives). You're probably planning to do it later? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 08:58, 1 June 2020 (UTC)- @Atitarev I went ahead and fixed verbs and adjectives to categorize by inflection type. Benwing2 (talk) 02:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: This is really good, thank you. Native speakers, not familiar with our system or vague about classes, patterns, will be able to add new terms with inflections by using examples, other similar terms. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 03:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev I went ahead and fixed verbs and adjectives to categorize by inflection type. Benwing2 (talk) 02:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Very good, thanks. I think it's OK to replace the current templates wit the new one.
Short adjectives?
[edit]@Benwing2: There is something I need to understand. I am not sure about the relationship between ко́жний/ко́жен, жо́дний/жо́ден. I didn't pay attention to it before. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:36, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- It's not much but here's something useful: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/11328363.pdf (search for "Короткі прикметники вживаються тільки у формі...") --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev These forms are also discussed in the Routledge book, pp. 146-147 per the book's numbering (which are pages 162-163 per the PDF). The book says they occur only in the masculine singular (and only predicatively except for ко́жен and жо́ден), although I think they can probably be used with both singular and plural subjects of any gender. Perhaps they should be given in the tables for the corresponding "long" adjectives when they occur. Benwing2 (talk) 02:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Yes, thanks. Only masculine forms for selective adjectives, not unsimilar to the Russian short adjectives where only qualitative adjectives can have them and also depends on the ending, e.g. -кий can't have them. The difference from the Russian usage is that, in Ukrainian, they are used more in poetry, imitating the Old East Slavic, in Russian, they are are also common for the formal speech. No, not only only predicatively(examples from that site: зелен гай, ясен місяць, славен день, дрібен дощик). I think the inclusion should be parameterised in the declension table. Some short forms are more frequent than others. ко́жен and жо́ден are just more frequent, not just poetry. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev I added support for short-form adjectives. See зеле́ний (zelényj) for an example. They won't be generated unless you explicitly add one using
|short=. Benwing2 (talk) 02:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)- @Benwing2: Thanks! I've modified ко́жний and жо́дний and created ко́жен and жо́ден. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev I added support for short-form adjectives. See зеле́ний (zelényj) for an example. They won't be generated unless you explicitly add one using
- @Benwing2: Yes, thanks. Only masculine forms for selective adjectives, not unsimilar to the Russian short adjectives where only qualitative adjectives can have them and also depends on the ending, e.g. -кий can't have them. The difference from the Russian usage is that, in Ukrainian, they are used more in poetry, imitating the Old East Slavic, in Russian, they are are also common for the formal speech. No, not only only predicatively(examples from that site: зелен гай, ясен місяць, славен день, дрібен дощик). I think the inclusion should be parameterised in the declension table. Some short forms are more frequent than others. ко́жен and жо́ден are just more frequent, not just poetry. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev These forms are also discussed in the Routledge book, pp. 146-147 per the book's numbering (which are pages 162-163 per the PDF). The book says they occur only in the masculine singular (and only predicatively except for ко́жен and жо́ден), although I think they can probably be used with both singular and plural subjects of any gender. Perhaps they should be given in the tables for the corresponding "long" adjectives when they occur. Benwing2 (talk) 02:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Suffixed adjectives and possibly participles
[edit]@Benwing2 Hi. Could you please add to your list handling of suffixed adjectives, such as яки́йсь (jakýjsʹ) (-сь (-sʹ)), яки́й-небудь (jakýj-nebudʹ) (--нѐбудь (--nѐbudʹ)). For participles, maybe we will need reflexive -ся (-sja), if they are to be included e.g. посміхаючийся (smiling) --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev This is easy enough to handle if the suffix is constant. For participles like посміхаючийся, is the suffix always -ся or does it alternate between -ся and -сь? Benwing2 (talk) 04:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Thanks. Pls make the participles without the alterations, past or present. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev This now works. See яки́йсь (jakýjsʹ) for an example (you might want to fix up the definition of that word). Benwing2 (talk) 03:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Thanks. Pls make the participles without the alterations, past or present. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
@Benwing2 Could you add this for Ukrainian as well to handle всі (vsi), like you did for the Belarusian усе (usje), please?
Inflection in theplural: всі, всіх, всім, всіх (anim)/всі(inanim), всіма́, всіх, -.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2 Hi. I'm not sure of you received the ping. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Atitarev Apologies. I think I did get the ping but it was right before I went to sleep and I forgot about it ... :( Will do. Benwing2 (talk) 15:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)