Module talk:it-pronunciation/testcases

ŋ isn't a phoneme

@Erutuon I'm curious. So ŋ is not a phoneme, but an allophone of /n/, right? But it's considered a phoneme in English, maybe that's why I got confused. And this means that only symbols listed in the two phoneme tables in w:Italian phonology can be used in the phonemic description? – Jberkel 11:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Jberkel: That's right. [ŋ] isn't a phoneme because it only appears before /k/ or /ɡ/, so it's entirely predictable. Along with other nasals before stops, it could even be analyzed as a nasal without place of articulation because the place of articulation is determined by the stop, but that's probably too theoretical for Wiktionary transcriptions. — Eru·tuon 21:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Erutuon: I see. What's your plan for the phonetic transcription? Is this simply not finished yet? – Jberkel 22:41, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Jberkel: I never did finish it and I'm not sure if I'm going to. Some of the testcases show features that I would add if I did continue working on it. — Eru·tuon 23:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)