Module talk:fi-nominals

nocheck

What is the nocheck parameter supposed to do? Is it supposed to disable the "inflection not matching pagename" category? If so, it does absolutely nothing right now. SURJECTION _{·talk·contr·log·} 15:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Comitative

@Benwing2 The comitative wasn't accelerated in the original module, because there is actually no single comitative form. It's always composed of a case ending plus possessive suffix, with various suffixes available depending on context; the suffix that's presented in the template is just one of the possibilities. We don't include possessive forms for the other Finnish case forms currently, and since there is no form of the comitative without the suffix, it was left unaccelerated. —Rua (mew) 21:59, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@Rua OK, I'll fix that. Benwing2 (talk) 22:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Clutter

@Rua, Hekaheka I'm not convinced Finnish declension templates should display any forms when not expanded. It causes plenty of clutter, and I can't immediately think of any other inflection templates that do that (none of say Hungarian, Swedish, German, Estonian, etc.). I suggest we make it like other templates, where only the table header is shown when the table hasn't been expanded, since else the tables will create more clutter than necessary (particularly for entries with multiple declension tables). — surjection ⟨?⟩ 16:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

We can reduce the number of forms shown, but we should at least show some of the forms so that a user can see at a glance how the inflection is overall. The argument about it not being used in most templates is moot, because those templates were created before it was possible to show some information in the collapsed state. —Rua (mew) 18:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Why should forms be shown right away? The inflection class (including gradation) is already shown in the table header, and the inflection can be inferred from that. Finnish language learners are likely to already know the classes (and if they don't, they can click its name to see more information about it). The positives don't really outweigh the negatives here. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 19:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion on this. The "informative" template has been in use for many years and I have not heard complaints about it. On the positive side it has helped me spot wrong declensions as by-product of working primarily on something else. If there's little or no harm and a small benefit, I would lean to the keep-as-it-is side of the discussion. --Hekaheka (talk) 07:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Kotus gradation letter support

I've added support for displaying the Kotus gradation letter (such as A for kk-k gradation, so pakko for example will display as Kotus type 1*A as Kielitoimiston sanakirja displays it, not just Kotus type 1) to both this and Module:fi-verbs. It's disabled in both for now, but can be enabled by flipping a single variable. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 13:34, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I've enabled it for now, as there is enough documentation and fi.wikt also shows these classes. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 14:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Declensions with possession?

TLDR: Ownership markers change the basic word.

The possessive suffixes aren't always simple enough to be glue-able next to the nominative stem. Sometimes my sister (sisko) turns to siskoni, but my rock (kivi) is not *kivini. Also, the singular+plural nominatives are equivalent with the singular genitive when a possessive suffix is applied, and this fact should be pointed out. ConjugationMan (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Option for just the possessive forms

I want to add just the table for possessive forms, and not the declension table, in non-lemma words, like for ääntä. Is there a good approach to doing that? Could it be added as an option in the Template? ~ heyzeuss 10:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

The standing practice regarding possessive forms of inflected nouns is that rather than possessive forms being listed under inflections, the nominative possessive form (äänensä) will contain the inflected forms with that possessive suffix. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 19:22, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

For anyone reading this, this is no longer the case; now possessive forms are listed under the lemma. — SURJECTION ^{/ T / C / L /} 16:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)