Category talk:en:Phobias
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Most of these entries are already part of Category:English words suffixed with -phobia, and the only advantage that I can see to this category is that the critera for inclusion are (at least hypothetically) a bit looser. But aside from maybe a handful of premodern coinings (e.g. hydrophobia) and Anglish neologisms (snake-fright), nothing that belongs to this category could be excluded from Category:English words suffixed with -phobia. Redundant. —(((Romanophile))) ♞ (contributions) 07:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Either delete or rename to Category:en:Fears. You might also want to take a look at Category:en:Philias, which is essentially a duplicate of Category:English words suffixed with -philia. Binarystep (talk) 01:27, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Category:English words suffixed with -phobia was moved to Category:English terms suffixed with -phobia in September 2022 by WingerBot. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 00:55, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Based on past discussions, there seems to be disagreement about the use of affix categories in cases where a surface analysis indicates the presence of an affix, but where the word was actually borrowed/inherited wholesale from another language with an equivalent affix. I imagine there are several English words ending in -phobia that were coined in French, German, etc., and later borrowed with minor adaptation. As a separate consideration, phobias are a class of entity, so there's merit to categorizing them as a topic or set instead of just an etymological feature (which would also include a handful of words without the ending -phobia, e.g. snake-fright); it makes sense for phobia words to be in a subcategory of Category:en:Fear. So with those two arguments in mind, I'll weakly support keeping this. Having an affix category and a topic category with very high overlap may seem redundant, but I'd like to ensure that a list of all -phobia words exists, whatever the result of future debates on the scope of affix categories. 98.170.164.88 02:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Rename to Category:English fears or Category:English phobias since it is a set, not topic, category (containing fears rather than words related to the topic of fear).— excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 00:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)- @ExcarnateSojourner: there's no difference in naming conventions between set and topic categories. There are no set categories with the language name spelled out, as far as I know, and if there are any, they should be fixed. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:24, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Chuck Entz Hmm, maybe I misunderstand those terms. What I mean is that cat:en:Phobias is like cat:English dated terms in that it contains terms which are phobias, whereas cat:en:Chess contains terms related to chess. Do the categories with the language spelled out never relate to the meaning of the terms? — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 02:42, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ExcarnateSojourner User:Chuck Entz is correct about this; we have lots of set categories that use topic-style naming, like Category:en:Months, Category:en:Moons, etc. The poscat naming like Category:English dated terms is intended for grammatical categories rather than semantic categories. It's true that sometimes there is a gray area (e.g. we have a current mess related to proper name categories for this reason), but things like phobias clearly fall into the semantic area. BTW there is an ongoing discussion in WT:RFM about changing the naming of topic and/or set categories to distinguish them from each other. Benwing2 (talk) 20:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 05:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @ExcarnateSojourner User:Chuck Entz is correct about this; we have lots of set categories that use topic-style naming, like Category:en:Months, Category:en:Moons, etc. The poscat naming like Category:English dated terms is intended for grammatical categories rather than semantic categories. It's true that sometimes there is a gray area (e.g. we have a current mess related to proper name categories for this reason), but things like phobias clearly fall into the semantic area. BTW there is an ongoing discussion in WT:RFM about changing the naming of topic and/or set categories to distinguish them from each other. Benwing2 (talk) 20:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Chuck Entz Hmm, maybe I misunderstand those terms. What I mean is that cat:en:Phobias is like cat:English dated terms in that it contains terms which are phobias, whereas cat:en:Chess contains terms related to chess. Do the categories with the language spelled out never relate to the meaning of the terms? — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 02:42, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ExcarnateSojourner: there's no difference in naming conventions between set and topic categories. There are no set categories with the language name spelled out, as far as I know, and if there are any, they should be fixed. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:24, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
- Kept. Denazz (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)