Category talk:Azerbaijani language
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[edit]Hello, I wrote articles the Wiktionary with words from Azerbaijani words written in the Azerbaijani Abjad (Turco-Perso-Arabic alphabet), but other Azerbaijani users cancel all my edits on the pages, becouse they are "too old for Azerbaijani". The question is related to the constant rollbacks of information from articles written in the Azerbaijani Abjad alphabet, I constantly encounter these restrictions that they write "this word does not exist in modern Azerbaiani". This is due to the fact that the ancestor of the Azerbaijani language is not defined in Wiktionary, or rather it is defined as Old Anatolian Turkish, but this is too ancient an ancestor. For comparison, in the Turkish language (of Turkish Republic) the ancestor is indicated as the Ottoman language and then the old Anatolian Turkish, this is logical. The ancestor of the Turkish language is indicated - Ottoman Turkish, which was used until 1920s. This completely solves the problem in the case of the Turkish language. At the same time, there is no solution to this problem for the Azerbaijani language - the ancestor of the Azerbaijani language is indicated in wiktionary as Old Anatolian Turkish, which was used until the 14th century at the latest. Azerbaijani has no ancestor in the time intervals from the 15th to the beginning of the 20th century (according to various sources, modern Azerbaijani can begin in 1922-1923, when the USSR occupied Azerbaijan, or in 1928, when the USSR translated the Azerbaijani language into latin alphabet) — Azerbaijani has no ancestor in the time intervals from the 15th to the beginning of the 1920s. However, historically, the ancestor of Azerbaijani was considered as Ajami Turkish (trk-ajm, "Turkish of Persia" and was language of Qajars, Afshars, Qizilbashs etc, it is also ancestor for Qashqayi, Iraqi Turkmen, Afshar, and Sonqori languages, also possible for Khorasani Turkish and Khalaji languages, For example, In book The Turkic varieties of Iran , Christine Bulut says (page 406) that written language for theese language was Ajam Turkic since 16th century. It is a good term.).I could write Azerbaijani articles written in the Abjad alphabet within this language so as not to encounter restrictions, but as I understand it is not possible at the moment. Please help me with this issue, since I have a lot of literature and I want to create pages indicating these words, but I encounter restrictions from other users.
At the moment Azerbaijani language page says that Azerbaijani language comes from:
- Proto-Turkic
- Proto-Oghuz
- Old Anatolian Turkish
but it should be
- Proto-Turkic
- Proto-Oghuz
- Old Anatolian Turkish
- Ajami Turkish
Please, create the language Category for this language Ajami Turkish (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q110812703) to make it ancestor it for Azerbaijani language. It will look like this: Azerbaijani language comes from Ajami Turkish (trk-ajm), which comes from Old Anatolian Turkish:
- m["trk-ajm"] = {
- "Ajami Turkish",
- 110812703,
- "trk-ogz",
- "fa-Arab",
- ancestors = "trk-oat",
- entry_name = {["fa-Arab"] = "ar-entryname"},
- }
Sebirkhan (talk) 18:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- isn't Ajami Turkic just a Middle Azerbaijani phase? traditionally, it's not considered in etymologies whereas Middle Persian, Middle Armenian, Middle English are.
- On other hand, it's just not well-documented so that would be problematic to emphasize it in researches Slowcuber7 (talk) 10:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- There are 2 reasons why I think the term "Middle Azerbaijani" is unfortunate:
- 1) I have never seen such a term used, and the term "Azerbaijani language" was introduced in the 20th century and was called differently before that.
- 2) Ajem Turkic (or whatever you want to say, Middle Azerbaijani) is the ancestor not only of the Azerbaijani language, but also of Qashkai, Sunguri, Iraqi-Turkoman, Karapapakh, Afshar, Afghan Qizilbash, etc.), I mean that in the time period of the ~15th-19th centuries they were identical. In book The Turkic varieties of Iran , Christine Bulut says (page 406) that written language for theese language was Ajam Turkic since 16th century. Sebirkhan (talk) 16:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- oh, i didn't know about that. thank you. Slowcuber7 (talk) 01:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)