Category talk:Ancient Greek terms suffixed with -η (o-grade)

Masculines

@Erutuon: what do you think of masculine o-grade nouns like τόμος (tómos)? I want to categorise them as well, but at the same time I'd like to keep feminine nouns suffixed in -ê and these separate. --Barytonesis (talk) 21:54, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I created Category:Ancient Greek words suffixed with -ος (o-grade). —CodeCat 22:27, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Name

I think it would make more sense to make this fit into the regular disambiguator senseid scheme that is already supported by our templates. The category would then be renamed to Category:Ancient Greek words suffixed with -η (o-grade). —CodeCat 22:05, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@CodeCat: fine by me, as long as I don't have to do it manually --Barytonesis (talk) 22:13, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I've created the category and added one entry to it. —CodeCat 22:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I can probably do an AWB run to move the entries. — Eru·tuon 22:46, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

If you want, sure. But can it do edits like diff? —CodeCat 22:54, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Erutuon, CodeCat: A bit late now, but I wonder if we shouldn't have named it Category:Ancient Greek words suffixed with -α (o-grade) (and possibly Category:Ancient Greek words suffixed with -ά (o-grade), since they're all accented on the ult); that would make more sense etymologically. --Barytonesis (talk) 23:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I named it based on what our lemma entry is called. —CodeCat 23:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I think we should probably have both categories: Ancient Greek words suffixed with -α (o-grade) and Ancient Greek words suffixed with -η (o-grade), and link each category to the other. I dunderheadedly added nouns with -α (-a) to the -η (-ē) category after creating the entry for -η (-ē). I think that's likely confusing to readers. Best to categorize them according to the actual Attic allomorph that they have, -α (-a) or -η (-ē). — Eru·tuon 23:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

We should categorise them by the lemma, not the surface allomorph. Compare Category:Latin words prefixed with in-, Category:Latin words prefixed with ad-, which also contain entries with different allomorphs, and Category:Finnish words suffixed with -taa. —CodeCat 23:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, I kinda agree (even though I'm always changing my mind about this issue), but we should make that clear someday... Have a look at Category:Greek words by prefix --Barytonesis (talk) 00:01, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

The way I see it, there's just one suffix with various allomorphs. We pick one to be the lemma, and write that in etymologies. It's not as if a Greek speaker is choosing between two different suffixes, -ē and -ā. There's only one suffix to choose from, which we just happen to lemmatise -ē. Only when the suffix comes into contact with the base word is one of the allomorphs selected out. The choice of lemma is arbitrary, so imagine for the sake of it that the lemma form was "-X". Then you'd say that word1 + -X becomes word1ē, word2 + -X becomes word2ā, etc. You can compare it to the choice of indefinite article in English. English speakers can't choose between a and an, they are two allomorphs of the same word, and the choice is made whenever it's placed in front of a word. —CodeCat 00:08, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Erutuon: I've had the idea to create something like CAT:Ancient Greek words suffixed with -α (o-grade, allomorph of -η) (a bit longwinded?) and make it a subcat of this one. I think we'd get the best of both worlds. What do you think? --Barytonesis (talk) 22:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Barytonesis: I think it's best to create Ancient Greek words suffixed with -α (o-grade) and simply link from here to there. That category name would require us to type, for instance, {{af|grc|ἀγείρω|-ᾱ|id2=o-grade, allomorph of -η}} to put words in the category, which is both difficult to type because it contains a Greek letter, and nonintuitive. — Eru·tuon 23:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)