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Derivation templates
[edit]I've been finding etymologies you've edited in my cleanup lists and categories. Let me explain how to use etymology templates so you can get things right to start with.
The templates I'm talking about are:
- Categorizing templates:
{{bor}}and{{bor+}}. Direct borrowing{{der}}and{{der+}}. Derivation{{uder}}. Unknown derivation
{{inh}}and{{inh+}}. Inheritance
- Non-categorizing linking templates:
The categorizing templates have 2 language codes, the first is always the language of the entry, and the second is the language the term came from. Note that the categorizing templates can only be used for transfer from one language to another: {{der|ga|ga}} (with no borrowing in between) is simply wrong.
Don't use borrowing templates for anything other than the borrowing of a term directly into the language of the entry, unless you turn off the categorization with the |nocat=1 parameter. If there is a language in between, even an ancestor or the language of the entry, you have to use a derivation template (even people who should know better get this wrong all the time). Yes,
A semantic loan is the borrowing of the meaning of a term without borrowing the term itself. A calque is derived by combining the translations of parts of a term in another language to make a term in the recipient language. A partial calque has translations of at least one part, but also has parts that are either not from the other language, or aren't translated.
Inheritance is the transfer of a term from one language to another by the process of the other language changing into the recipient language. The {{inh}} templates should only be used if there is nothing but inheritance in the chain of derivation between the other language and the language of the entry. If there is a borrowing in between- even from a closely related language- you have to use one of the derivation templates. Thus you would have to use {{der}} in an Irish etymology for the Proto-Celtic ancestor of a term borrowed from Scottish Gaelic, even though both Irish and Scottish Gaelic are inherited from Proto-Celtic.
Not that you've made mistakes with all of these- I just wanted to be thorough. I also didn't cover every possible etymology template- there are just too many things I would have to explain. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 00:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)