Talk:black supremacy

Deletion discussion

See Talk:white supremacy#Deletion discussion. bd2412 T 23:09, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

And contrast Talk:Jewish supremacy. - -sche (discuss) 18:44, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

RFD discussion: February–September 2018

See Talk:white supremacy#RFD discussion: February–September 2018.

RFD discussion: April–September 2021

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black supremacy

Previously deleted in RFD (log here, discussion here) but created again without an undeletion request. This is still SOP, and I did not see any lemmings for this, contrasting with white supremacy. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

The previous RfD did not have def 1 {{&lit|en|black|supremacy}} or def. 3. The three definitions seem quite distinct. I think that black supremacy is a term more commonly used by black authors. Accordingly, it is not as widely used generally as white supremacy. I don't see which meanings of supremacy make def. 3, in particular, SoP. DCDuring (talk) 22:18, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

You're correct about the definitions being different, and they're also better phrased. That said, I think definition 3 could still be understood from definition 1 and 2 of supremacy, even if the latter entry is overdue for an update. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 08:11, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

It seems a bit unsatisfying that the only argument for keeping white supremacy but not black supremacy would be that the former passes the lemming test. A stronger argument might be that white supremacy passes WT:JIFFY, if, as seems plausible, white supremacy was the first instance of "X supremacy" acquiring the meaning of "the ideology that X is superior or ought to be in power". If this entry does get deleted, I hope the citations can at least be copied over to supremacy. Colin M (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Colin M The citations are already at Citations:black supremacy (where they will stay if the entry is deleted), anybody is free to also place them at supremacy. I think you're probably right about white supremacy being the jiffy of "X supremacy", although that may be an annoying thing to prove in view of the age of supremacy. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Taking into consideration that the term "black supremacy" is commonly used in numbers of publications and has been used by great number of black and white authors like Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey etc. I think it should stay Tashi (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Delete per Colin M. The phrase "white supremacy" also feels set, whereas "black supremacy" does not. If nothing else, recreating the entry without an undeletion request was improper, so the entry should be re-deleted by default. Imetsia (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

"Black supremacy" is not set? What? It's been set for at least 50-60 years and it's commonly found in literature. It's been used by prominent black activists like Malcolm X or Martin Luther King. It's been used numerous time and frequently by the prominent members of Nation of Islam which have had an enormous impact on the discourse in the US back in the 60-70s. Tashi (talk) 12:02, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Strong keep. This term has been used for ages in Black spaces like Tashi has mentioned. AG202 (talk) 05:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

RFD-no-consensus AG202 (talk) 04:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)