Talk:塗跤

Teochew

@Mar vin kaiser, @The dog2 thinks it's not used in Teochew. What was your source? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: I'm mainly basing my conclusions based on common correspondence between Hokkien and Teochew. For instance, "downstairs" is 樓跤 in Hokkien and 樓下 in Teochew, while kitchen is 灶跤 in Hokkien and 灶下 in Teochew. For this specific case, see [1] (around 3:54) for how to say "floor" in Teochew, and it also fits nicely into this pattern: 塗跤 in Hokkien vs 塗下 in Teochew. The dog2 (talk) 22:52, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@The dog2: Correspondences aren't absolute, especially with vocabulary items. There are many exceptions to patterns. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:01, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: OK, but I believe I have shown that at the very least, 塗下 is used in Teochew to mean "floor", at least in Singapore. What do your dictionaries say? The dog2 (talk) 23:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@The dog2: I haven't checked, but use of 塗下 doesn't mean 塗跤 isn't used. I suspect Mar vin kaiser got the word from Mogher, but it's down at the moment. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

潮·普双言语词典 has 塗下 (written as 涂下) and 塗跤下 (written as 涂脚下). 广州话、客家话、潮汕话与普通话对照词典 has 塗下 (written as 涂下). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: OK, should we have a dialectal synonyms table for 地板 then? I believe the Cantonese word is 樓板. The dog2 (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@The dog2: We should probably have a table for 地上 or 地面, which is a little more general. I haven't heard of 樓板 in Cantonese. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 00:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Yes, it's found in Mogher. I'm sure. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 00:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I also see it now in a Vietnamese document teaching Teochew (潮州话), but it does seem like at the very least, 塗下 is common in the Mainland. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 00:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser: Hmm, so we should add the Teochew back then, right? — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: I'm somewhat confident that it's used in at least some Teochew communities, so I think it should still be there, to at least capture that it exists. But we should have a dialectal chart soon, to be clear. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser, The dog2: We do need a dialectal synonyms chart, but I don't know how to go about it. 地下 = 地上 = 地面上 = "on the floor/ground"; 地面 = 地板 = floor/ground? It's kind of confusing to me since 塗跤 seems to cover both. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:42, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: How about we place all of them in the same chart, but use markings to differentiate, if ever, for specifics? Like what's done in other charts. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 03:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser: But what should the title of the chart be? Also pinging @RcAlex36, Thedarkknightli. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 03:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: We usually go with the standard Chinese term, right? So either 地上 or 地板, in my opinion. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 03:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Justinrleung, Mar vin kaiser: I'd go with 地板 since it's an actual noun. You can say 洗地板, but you can't say 洗地上. The dog2 (talk) 03:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)