Talk:सारखे

@Aryamanarora सारखे (सारखं) is the (direct) neuter form, सारखा is the (direct) masculine form and सारखी is the feminine (direct) form.

What should be the gender for the lemma form of gender-declining adjectives considering Marathi has three genders?

Feminine is never used so that can be eliminated. For comparison, masculine seems to be the lemma form for Hindi, and I believe Gujarati uses neuter. Although neuter makes sense since it's neutral, Dhongde & Wali uses masculine. So far {Category:Marathi adjectives} has used masculine as the lemma form. Kutchkutch (talk) 01:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch: Berntsen and Tulpule use neuter, so I stuck with that. Although it seems Date is using masculine, but I think we can ignore that because his work his quite old. Yes, Gujarati uses neuter, Konkani uses masculine (Konkani doesn't have neuter), and Punjabi uses masculine (no neuter). I don't know much about Marathi dictionary standards, what do you think? —Aryaman ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 01:47, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Aryamanarora If I were to decide, I would prefer neuter because it's neutral, and logically it's nice to think of the other genders deriving from neuter. But there's at least three issues with using the neuter gender.

The neuter has traditionally had the ए ending so all resources say that's the only neuter ending instead of the anusvara as the neuter gender marker. However, form with the anusvara would always have to listed as an alternative form as the colloquial/informal variant (that may some day overtake the ए ending even in formal contexts. So I think this may be evidence of a change in progress that hasn't fully taken place yet. Dhongde & Walk always refer to it as e/ə)

All the adjectives in {Category:Marathi adjectives} would have to be moved to neuter. And there might be non-lemma pages using the neuter gender such as Template:mr.

Dhongde & Wali, which is currently our primary source for modern analysis, uses the order masculine, feminine, neuter. That's why T:mr-decl-noun lists the genitive declension in that order

So even though logically neuter makes better sense, masculine would have been better for convenience since all that needs to be done is re-name सारखे (sārkhe) to सारखा (sārkhā). Molesworth has the word in the masculine gender. Each dictionary appears to have it's own policy so should there be such a policy for {Category:Marathi adjectives} and put it somewhere?

Moving all the declining adjectives in {Category:Marathi adjectives} shouldn't be too hard since there's not that many, but one has to be careful when doing that because some adjectives ending in ई, आ are non-declining. If the policy is to be that declining adjectives should be neuter gender, should I start moving the articles manually? That's why I wanted to ask you first before making any such changes. Perhaps we should ask User:माधवपंडित if he has an opinion since he may be affected by such a policy. Kutchkutch (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch:I too favor a default neuter gender for adjectives. The only reason I use masculine for Konkani is that like Aryamanarora said, there is no neuter gender. I feel correctness and consistency is worth the hassle of moving a few lemmas around. The main lemma form should be the neuter gender with adequate mention and information of the other two genders. -- mādhavpaṇḍit (talk) 02:52, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch, माधवपंडित: I agree, we could always move the entries by bot. And if Marathi is as similar to Hindi as I think, ultimately we will have more uninflected adjectives (since nowadays nearly all new adjectives come from Sanskrit) than inflected ones. —Aryaman ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 03:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)