Talk:תשובה

I'd like to nominate this to be the Foreign Word of the Day on יום כיפור (hope I spelled that right). However, it needs a quotation (with translation) first. Also, shouldn't there be a sense meaning "returning" (as in a returning to a specific place)? I am likely wrong, but I just wanted to know. Thanks! --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 15:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: sense meaning "returning": Even-Shoshan does list such a sense (shivá, khazará, bi'á él m'kóm hamotsá: "returning, going back, coming to the place of setting out"). I think "return" is probably a better translation than "returning", though. ("His return to […] ", not "his returning to […] ", no?) A nearer match for the gerund "returning", IMHO, is שִׁיבָה (shivá).

Re: needing a quotation: Here are the quotations Even-Shoshan gives for his various senses:

• Sense 1 "answer": Job 21:34, Keritot 3:9, and Sanhedrin 105.
• Sense 2 "return": I Samuel 7:17 and the title of a poem of Bialik: “בִּתְשׁוּבָתִי”.
• Sense 3 "period": II Samuel 11:1.
• Sense 4 "repentance": Yoma 8:8, Avot 4:11, Leviticus Rabbah 10, Unetanneh Tokef.

Though he also has a whole bunch of run-in entries underneath, and several of those have their own quotations. I don't have time right now to list them.

—Ruakh_TALK 12:35, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll add that, I guess, although if I do it, a Hebrew speaker needs to check my work. Thanks! --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:51, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

By the way — regarding the Bialik title that (together with I Samuel 7:17) Even-Shoshan uses to support the "return" sense — I Googled a few plausible translations to see if one of them was clearly standard, and I came across this book, which explains the title in an interesting way that half-undermines the def. That scholar does not seem to think that תְּשׁוּבָה really means "return". —Ruakh_TALK 21:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Mishkal

@Enoshd: Where did you find that this is from תַּקְטֵלָה? That seems kind of strange to me. --WikiTiki89 19:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

See he:קטגוריה:תַּקְטֵלָה (משקל). It doesn't seem that weird to me, not more than the other things נעו״י causes. And also this. But תַּקְטוּלָה also shows up online so I'm not sure. Enosh (talk) 12:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89: I have a textbook that says תְּקוּלָה (with examples: תְּפוּצָה, תְּאוּרָה and תְּנוּפָה) is a form of תִּקְטָלָה. Enosh (talk) 18:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Do you know any תִּקְטָלָה nouns? --WikiTiki89 14:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

תִּפְאָרָה I guess?

With nikud תִּקְטָלָה gets 9 hits on Google, so certainly not common. תַּקְטֵלָה seems more plausible. Enosh (talk) 19:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89: Enosh (talk) 15:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

תִּפְאָרָה is clearly not semantically related to the תְּקוּלָה pattern. I think that in reality this pattern only exists for weak roots, and so there is no equivalent for a strong root. So whatever we choose is going to be somewhat arbitrary. Geminate roots like תְּפִלָּה fit nicely with the תַּקְטֵלָה theory, so I guess we can go with that. --WikiTiki89 16:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)