Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/wa

wanu, ware

These are root form wa + suffixes -- derivatives, not descendants. The -re suffix is common in Japanese as a nominalizer, see also これ・それ・あれ・どれ・だれ・かれ・おれ・おのれ・なれ (kore sore are dore dare kare ore onore nare). The wanu form only seems to appear in Eastern Japanese, and is recorded just once that I can find in Man'yōshū book 14, poem 3476. Reading the context in the Man'yōshū, this -nu ending might even be just the Eastern variant of nominalizing and possessive particle の (no). ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• @mellohi!, Kwékwlos, unsure how to link in the Ryūkyūan forms, since those all appear to be derivatives and not direct descendants, and thus {{desctree|jpx-ryu-pro|*wanu}} throws up Lua errors. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:51, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Eirikr Done. Also, while searching through the Old Japanese dictionary, there are forms in marö, which apparently parallel warö. Do you think that this is just the lexeme ma "essence, truth"? Kwékwlos (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

Re: marö ↔ warö, what are the glosses for the terms you're looking at? The only marö I'm finding is the predecessor to modern 麻呂・麿・丸 (maro ← maro₂, “round; plump”), while for warö, I'm finding just 我・吾 (waro₂, “I, me”, Eastern OJP, see MYS poem 4343). I don't see any semantic overlap, nor any clear path to connecting either with 真 (ma, “real, true, genuine”).

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 00:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Sources

@Kwékwlos Care to explain your sources (please)? Chuterix (talk) 17:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)